If you’ve been in business for a while you probably realize the importance of good marketing. As a business owner I’m always on the lookout for new marketing information that may give me new ideas on how to market and promote my existing products. So to that end I subscribed to a monthly marketing newsletter named Marketing Dot Com by Mike Filsaime. If you’re short on time and you don’t have any to read my Mike Filsaime review/ Marketing dot Com review let me put it to you bluntly…
Mike Filsaime is a cheat and a scam and the Marketing Dot Com monthly newsletter is a waste of money and you’ll have to literally cancel your credit card to stop them from billing you.
First off I thought long and hard about making this post because I don’t like speaking negatively about people but in hindsight I gave this scam artist and snake oil salesman way too much credit. Here’s the nuts and bolts of my problems with Mike Filsaime and his Marketing Dot Com monthly newsletter:
Most reputable businessmen are easy to get a hold of but when you sell a crappy product and you’re afraid that people are going to burn up you phone lines calling to cancel their subscriptions or ask for their money back then you make it so that’s it impossible to get a hold of you… this way people can’t cancel their subscriptions you know. Mike Filsaime should write an eBook about that… how to hide behind help desks and voice mail to keep people from unsubscribing or asking for their money back.
First off when I received my first charge from Mike Filsaime for Marketing Dot Com on my credit card statement I thought it kinda shady that out of the 30+ vendors on my credit card statement he was the only one that didn’t have a phone number listed for customer service. What kind of business doesn’t list a phone number for customer service? Oh that’s right one that’s trying to hide and make it as hard as possible for folks to get a hold of them because they know they are selling and pushing crap products that people will want to return.
Mind you that charge appeared on my statement after I had already canceled Marketing Dot Com!
Now supposedly Mike Filsaime has a full staff working on the Marketing Dot Com newsletter or at least he has pictures of folks all over his poorly printed newsletter who have titles like VIP Relations, Executive Assistant to Mike Filsaime, VP of this and VP of that but some how Mike Filsaime can’t afford to have someone answer his phone?
No.
When you call Mike Filsaime you get an answering machine.
If you want customer service you get directed to a help desk online.
If you want to cancel your subscription to Marketing Dot Com (it’s sad that so many people are canceling their subscription that you have to set up an option for it on your answering machine…) you’ll also get directed to a website and after you unsubscribe Mike Filsaime will even send you an email saying “sorry to see you go” and “we’ll never bill you again…”
And then you get this warm fuzzy and you think maybe Mike Filsaime isn’t such a bad guy after all even though he writes probably the worst marketing newsletter ever written.
And then Mike Filsaime just keeps billing you and billing you for his crappy Marketing Dot com newsletter.
So finally I did what Mike Filsaime advocates and I took action. I called the credit card company and I did a charge back. And you know what?
Mike Filsaime continues to bill me for Marketing Dot Com…
So again I called the ‘ol credit card company and I asked what can I do about this scam artist that won’t let me unsubscribe from his BS newsletter?
Long story short I have to cancel my credit card and get a new one to keep Mike Filsaime from billing me anymore. You wanna have yourself a good time? Try getting a hold of Mike Filsaime or anyone in his office.
And supposedly Mike Filsaime makes millions? PUH LEEZE!
Sorry Mike but I don’t make millions and I still have someone answering my phones all day… it’s called customer service and it’s what legitimate businesses that sell legitimate products do. Legitimate businesses don’t hide behind help desks and voice mail.
So there you have it. You wanna become an online millionaire? Start a monthly newsletter and force people to cancel their credit cards in order to unsubscribe. That’s how Mike Filsaime did it with Marketing Dot Com.
Guys I’m not even going to waste my time doing the Marketing Dot Com review becasue the information I found in it was pathetic. It’s rudimentary at best and made for someone who probably just logged on to the internet for the first time. Like I’ve said about Mike Filsaime and other internet marketing gurus before, these guys make their money doing nothing but selling how to make money online information to noobs that’s either worthless, outdated or both.
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This is true for Mike Filsaime. It is very difficult to cancel the membership. Even if you cancel they will charge your credit card and then you have to call them and explain.
The guy is a bloody snake oil sales. Yes, he has made a fortune, but how? tricking people into buying his super lame products. the other day he sent a long idiotic e-mail on how to follow him on twitter, and sounding like the twitter know it all guy. get over it mike filsaime – there are thousands of people who have a conscience.
the guy just knows how to trick people into buying his products, he is a dream hustler, he shouldn’t be doing this kind of stuff.
i have been so pissed off myself when i was charged on my credit card, although i did get a refund. however, the process was grueling. took a very long time.
the guy looks obnoxious. this is jan 1st, and even on the 1st of the month along with his new year wishes, he writes:
PS – I hope you had a chance to get your
hands on my new product made for new marketers
called Instant Affiliate Website.
The Number 1 question I am always asked is
where should a beginner start. I made this
product for that person. If that is you,
make sure to check this out. I promise you
will love it.
F*&$ this Bull S&*@ man!!
If Mike Filsaime ever reads this, he’s probably smiling because he has millions on his list, and every day, some poor soul gets tricked into his products, so in the end its all about conversions.
I really hope that he pays for it dearly for scamming people. He is exactly the kind of person because of which internet marketing gets a bad name. Another, person I’d probably add to this list would be Russel Brunson literally selling everything from Mortage foreclosure scams to affiliate event tickets claiming its life changing. WTF!!
Guys – you give IMers a real bad name. Don’t do this crap. Learn to make some “REAL” money online without trying to sell butt loads of bull crap to people!
F&$^ This!!!
I have had nothing but success with his organization.
Juni,
I just gave up and let them charge for 3 months. Personally I was getting ready to throw something out the window…
Dan,
I know how you feel and by the way I’m a Dan too.
I think you hit the nail on the head… he’s a dream hustler. I mean to me IM has basically become MLM where everyone is pushing the dream or the opportunity and no one is actually working the “system.”
Roger,
Mike uses some sound marketing principles and that’s why I subscribed to his “marketing” newsletter.
But the information he sells is garbage… it’s just a rehash of marketing principles from the offline world and since I also own a brick and mortar I’m already well versed in everything Filsaime is trying to charge me for.
I don’t have a problem buying solid information but don’t charge ma an arm and a leg for something that’s already been around the block a few times…
I’ve also had a quarrel with this guy on the Warrior Forum here:
http://www.warriorforum.com/internet-marketing-product-reviews-ratings/29110-traffic-crusher.html
I think his strategies and products are all pathetic.
Paul,
Arguing with Mike Filsaime in the Warrior Forum is like walking into a Catholic church and saying that Jesus Christ was a fraud.
Most, if not all, folks there are just trying to sell “make money online” products to noobs that don’t know any better.
Ask Mike Filsaime how much money he makes and has made outside of the “make money online” niche online if you really want to have some fun… The truth is his strategies only work in a very select few niches.
Mike Filsaime is a filthy get rich quick scammer. He is so dumb to believe that getting paid millions over the short term is worth ruining your name over the long run.
Do not trust this guy. He hides behind all his little employees, and will not answer 1 phone call. I can’t wait until the IM world realizes how much of a loser he is.
If you’re so wealthy, why can’t you give out refunds? Oh yea, You’re a liar.
It’s great that you are speaking out against Mike F. He’s one of the least trustworthy IM “Gurus” and that’s saying a LOT.
I don’t trust that guy at ALL. I wouldn’t buy any product that he’s even remotely associated with.
If I see his face as a testimonial on a MMO product (which I often do) I automatically assume it’s garbage and close the page.
I also bought his instant affiliate web + his newsletter. I’m disappointed with his newsletter, there is nothing new. The IAW is over priced too, he should sell it one time for cheap, not by monthly recurring billing. I’m planning to cancel today. I hope I don’t have any problem.
Yep, he makes it almost impossible to cancel membership. I thought highly of him until now. Will never ever touch his products again
I have read with interest everything on this blog and I cancelled two subscriptions with Mike Filsaime and have been charged nothing since. I guess I appear to be lucky! I have emailed him and got a reply straight back. I work with another IM in the UK and he is very well thought of and is (as far as I know) honest and straightforward and he recommends Mike Filsaime – so who knows what to believe! I will certainly be more sceptical from now on.
YOU are 100% right about this and I would like to get together with you and call the news, all Internet providers. I want AOL to post his shady busines practice. He should NOT be allowed to practice marketing. After I ordered Butterfly Marketing, I submitted a ticket to his “help desk” telling them to cancel the subscription that comes with it. They totally IGNORED ME! Then today I was billed $46 and I don’t have a lot of money in my bank account to afford a loss like that. Then I called the phone number which was just a recording, and directed me to a web site. I put in my username and password that I used to sign up and they DIDN’T WORK! I emailed him on Twitter and can’t find him on Facebook. He is a total SCAM ARTIST. I want his name to show up on AOL welcome screen, Miscrosoft, Time warner, everywhere! I want it broadcasted nationwide about what he has done and I will not stop until he goes down! I should not have to cancel my entire bank account for this! Please email me at Meljoy444@aol.com if you would like to work together to bring him down! I hope you do, because I am beyond PISSED OFF right now! He should be working at Burger King or somewhere wlese where crappy customer service is expected!
Hi guys, I sincerely thanks you all for this review. I am a newbie in IM. Just started to learn it about a week ago. In a split second, I have nearly bought into Mike’s promotion about his butterfly marketing package that also includes the IAM and newsletter. It was just after I finished key-in all the details that I thought of checking out any review on his products, and here I am reading all these traps. Again, thank you very much.
I just want to echo the above posts, try and tried to cancel but no luck
They totally IGNORED ME 2
More than once.
Even a can spam email saying that we have received your ticket,
Would be better that nothing!.
A Good auto responder wouldn’t go a miss mike.
Will never ever touch his products again.
P.s Melanie I wouldn’t even try to take him down it will be trying to take down the president off the usa, use your time to make your money back with him.
p.p.s. Just change your credit card.
Same deal here as Melanie. Called the number. Told to go to a website. Went to website. Sent to another website. Login doesn’t work. Send in a ticket. Login for ticket doesn’t work. Send another ticket. No confirmation by email for either ticket. Sign up under a different email to the help desk. Am up to 4 tickets. Half a month has gone by. I have been charged and am due to be charged again. I don’t know what to do now.
I am not complaining that he bundled the free product with the newsletter. I’m not even opposed to newsletter, I receive and happily pay for Yanik Silvers Maverick Insider.
But when it says you can EASILY cancel by calling a certain number, then you should be able to do just that. You should not then be re-directed to a website that doesn’t work and a help desk that doesn’t help.
That’s my rant. I might wind up having to cancel my credit card and taking a hit to my credit rating over such a stupid thing. Mike Filsaime, You promise easy cancellation, you should deliver on that promise.
Unfortunately he is part of a group of scamers using the net to rip people off.
All the content he provides is fluff and his Instant Affiliate Website just doesnet perform unless you are promoting his products.
A bigger scamer is the SEOUSA PRO who promise to get you onto the first page of Google and change thousands to do it. Then they build a mirror site and insert key words into your content which looks like an orangatan did it. Then they plead innocent and ignore your correspondence.
If they cold call you – hang up!
I too was taken in by this unethical, S.O.B. very tough lesson, buyer beware, I am still in the process of dispute; very hard to get hold of a person. I agree, must continue getting the message out , regarding this scoundrel and his associates; to prevent others being hurt financially and emotionally .
It not a question of Mike’s info it a question of his unethical practices.
I am a friends signed up for the FREE butterfly marketing 2.0 for $29.95 S/H (so really not free, but that’s ok)
The problems is that he makes you join his over prices monthly newsletter that is lacking in value. But I still don’t have an issue with that because he gave his course away for you to try it.
The problem I have is the BOTH me and my friend could NOT cancel our membership via his cancellation site. There was some kind of glitch and we were stuck in the billing cycle. After 20 days and numerous emails to support and filing trouble tickets. They finally canceled up but refused to give out the $45.90 back that they charged us.
Now I do not believe this was a mistake as it happened to both of us. I am not a novice and I know how to build sites, work with scripts so canceling an online membership is not a problem for me unless I can’t log in which I could not becuase I was never given a password, when I tried to do a password retrieval it said I was not in the system.
So I called the number which then tells you to go back to the site. Basically the run around.
So either Mike is and unethical moron or his support suck. I might ask him which in person and the next time I see him at a seminar. Maybe even live of a Microphone.
Why do I say moron? Because he values $45.95 over thousands of Dollars in future sales and affiliate sales. He lost $1000 already becuase I bought Eben Pagans Guru Home Study course through someone else’s link becuase I refuse to give Mike any more business.
I also bought Launch tree (before they told me they were not going to give me the $45.90 back) I will now cancel both recurring memberships, becuase I do not trust them at all anymore. I will also never buy anything from Mike again. And I am beginning to look down on those that are his affiliates.
I spend thousands a year on courses and I have made close to $1,000,000 on line since I have been doing this. There are a lot of good teachers and marketers to learn from that are very ethical.
Some of which are Frank Kern, Jeff Walker, John Reese, Ryan Diess, Yanik Silver. With people like that who offer quality, and value and actually over deliver and have real customer support there is no need to ever buy a Mike Filsame product again!
You burn people you get burned in the end.
PS: The way to take this guy down is to start emailing all of his big affiliate and tell them what he has done and that they will no longer buy products of people that promote Mike Filsame.
Bravo! I concur with everything that has been said on this issue. Yeah, I got ripped off by Mike Filsaime – I am boycotting him and every other slimy guru that associates with him. He is an underhanded double talking. sob.
Yeah, gurus made their money back in the day when all you had to do was direct link to a merchant.
Mike probably has to bring in 10,000 new suckers every month just to keep his empire in tact.
Lets talk Atty General and class action, shall we?
Well I did get billed once for the Marketing Dot Com newsletter after I got the BFM 2.0 package shipped though I think I cancelled before the deadline, but that’s OK because I got another nice newsletter, but I didn’t get billed again.
I think that whatever happened with you guys has more to do with a glitch than anything else because it all was OK with me, and I think the Marketing Dot Com newsletter is pretty good, not to mention enjoyable as well as easy to read and apply.
Let’s face it, when it comes to anything, you just can’t please everyone, especially when there are thousands of customers.
Mow Row
Mow Row it wasn’t a glitch; it was intentional. And here’s the thing with any CC processor or merchant account… you get enough charge backs from customers and they’ll give you a call and threaten to shut you down so it really is in his best interest to get his shit together and stop with the BS.
For someone who allegedly makes millions how can you not have at least one customer service rep?
The guy got caught and caught a lot of slack for producing a poor newsletter and for ripping people off.
On his website I see that he “improved” his newsletter but personally I think the info Mike Filsaime sells is rudimentary at best and ideal for folks new to the online game.
It’s one thing to not please everybody and quite another to keep their money when they asked for a return. The worst part about it is he hid like a coward behind answering machines and help desks when folks were just trying to get their money back which he promised on his sales page would be as easy as pie.
Good luck Mow Row.
To assist those having difficulty …
a) CANCELLATION WORKED – 1st time,
HERE >> http://www.cancelmetoday.com
b) REFUND PROCESSED IMMEDIATELY BY:
Frank Pugliese, General Manager
Tel: 631 615 4133
Hope this helps.
For those looking to ‘out’ people like Mike and other ‘IM Gurus’ which I will allow to remain nameless, since they are not the subject of this discussion…the best and most efficient way to do this is for many (and I mean MANY) people to email an investigative show ala John Stossel – 20/20 ABC.
Now, it’s not enough for a few people to complain about ONE small-time scum bag who isn’t canceling people’s subscriptions. While it pisses you, as an individual off, in the scheme of things – it’s not a big enough fish to fry. Guys like this don’t matter enough individually.
It’s on a WHOLE that they matter. When you put the associations together, the big gurus banding together like a little mafia – creating industry-wide hype together — to monopolize the market and essentially run over anyone who attempts to take a stand against them…well, that’s where it gets interesting. ESPECIALLY when you start to put together the kind of #’s they are pulling in, in this way.
What you have are layers upon layers and I mean LAYERS of bulls–t piled so high…that it’s hard for ‘marketers’ even with good intentions to see the truth. How much are these guys REALLY making off of the strategies that they are selling to you?
It’s a multi-million dollar industry – BUT is it an industry built upon lies? THAT is the question. AND THAT IS THE STORY that needs to be sold to a John Stossel – that is what will get them thinking about pouring their resources into following the story a little further…and if there is something there – BAM! – a lot of people’s savings will be saved. Maybe some good will come out of it afterall.
If you’re interested – email John Stossel – JohnStossel@abcnews.com – he makes it publicly available, btw.
And for those unaware of his show, you can check out his site here – http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/
For the ripped off and pissed off – take some action. For those sick of these guys ripping innocent people off while patting each other on the backs and butts all day long – join in!
I canceled in January, but continued to get charged. Filed with Discover Card for refund and lost. They gave me a number I could call 1-631-615-4597. Got recorded message and went to site. This did not work yesterday. Went back to site today and it APPEARS to have worked. I am out $367. He must be desperate and in need of my money…
A word of warning! If you cancel you must hit the back button and then print the page. You will need it to get a refund from your credit card company if charges continue.
Hi guys, I am very disturbed to learn about mike f. I had no idea he is such a scam artist. I saw him on dot com secrets.com and thought he is legit. I too almost bought his course and got sucked in. WOW! I cant believe that guy. I will email Russel b. I liked him and he seemed legit but I will look out.
In the mean time there is a site that if you type web site address it will tell you how is it registered to and all the info on the site, addresses phone numbers etc…its called whois.com check it out, maybe that will help you. good luck and stay away from scammers
just a little quick suggestion, there will always be people trying to scam. so always do a research before buying the product
Seriously guys, you should take him to small claims court. No joke, and whether you each do it together or separately, you have a great chance, or all get together and do as Roxie states, a class action suit. Bury him in legal fees and negative press
The jig is up for these clowns–or soon will be. Anyone buying this crap in 2009 is horribly ignorant. type in the name of any guru product, and google’s predictive search field populates “torrent” as one of the top choices. Select the name of one of the guru programs, and the first page of results is loaded with torrent links. And that’s just google results. I’m a member of torrent sites dedicated 100% to business and self improvement sites. I can type in the name of any product–ANY product–and within seconds find a result for a heavily seeded download of the product. Within days of a product release, it shows up on these sites.
And this is just in 2009. It’s still early. Eventually, it’ll become so common knowledge, that EVERYONE will be aware of torrents, and how unbeleivably easy it is to rip these multi-thousand dollar products.
Only a fucked up ignorant fool would be shelling out thousands of dollars for this idiocy.
Ooopps, I forgot to mention…directly related to the product mentioned in this post, the monthly product hits one of the sites I belong to every month like clockwork, probably within days of release…ready for quick and easy downloading. For free.
On a semi-unrelated note, a few years ago a friend of mine and I decided to strike out into the IM field, and we had amassed a lot of material that had helped us and we wanted to make that material available to others, so we created a membership site. My friend spend days and late nights getting the code to work properly, making sure the copy was just right, and working the bugs out of the Paypal shopping cart. It was a lot of work for him.
To launch this website, we tried to do some JV’s with established gurus, offering 50% of the take. One of the guys he e-mailed was Mike Filsaime. We never heard back from him, but then a few weeks later we get an announcement of Mike’s new website. We went there, and it was my friend’s website. It had different resources, apparently, but the sales letter was my friend’s, rewritten. He REWROTE my friend’s sales letter! To add insult to injury, he got his buddies to write testimonials trashing our site. “I saw that other guy’s site, and it’s a scam, but you’re the REAL DEAL!”
I’d love to see him go down after that.
Yep – what a huckster. Wish I would have read this a couple of months ago.
I signed up for one of Filsaime’s freebies, but had to pay $7.00 for shipping. I ended up getting automatically signed up for his $49/month newsletter (WTF???) which I didn’t want in the first place. (Ya, sure SO easy to cancel it – what a bold-faced liar.) That was $50 bucks ago and they still won’t respond to my emails.
STEER CLEAR of anything to do with Mike Filsaime.
I don’t know anything about this scam artist’s product. But, I can tell you about his deceptive and unethical business practices.
On the affiliate sent email from Rich Schefren of StrategicProfits.com. I decided I would get the “FREE” version of 7 Figure Secrets (just pay shipping and handling $15.99)
I was willing and agreeable to that, however my card was also charged $497 as well. I did not want whatever he is selling for $497 and repeated attempts to contact both him and his “support” staff.
I was so infuriated by this criminals unethical behavior that I never attempted to even look at his “material” so I can’t give any advice as to that. I can tell you this criminal will have absolutely no problem outright STEALING your money and any attempt to get it back will be ignored.
I also attempted to contact Rich and tell him my story and never heard back from him either. I had a pretty high opinion of him before and was considering joining his coaching program at $400 a month or whatever it is. However, after seeing who he is “partners” with I have changed my mind.
Hopefully, this helps you and your bank account. Stay away from this thief!!!
Hi guys thanks for all the info … i was going to fall prey to this guys 7 figure secret that was recently unleashed. I think the BEST way to get back to such people are to put up their products (eBooks + DVDs + etc) on the TORRENT download so people like me can learn from people like you and save the hassle and valuable resources AND at the same time get to check the product (as inquisitiveness kills the cat). I did try to check and could not find any on the FREE TORRENT…
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Lets KILL these beasts with their own game.
thanks for telling me about mike filsamie, now i can spread the word around
MIKE FILSAIME IS A PREDATOR…!!!!!!!
It’s amazing how he is getting away with this. I too signed up for the free report (newsletter) and was billed $497 because of his highly deceptive website layout. You’re literally forced to click the wrong button and presto, Mike has his fangs deep into your pocket now and what seems to be forever.
On his help desk page he even goes as far as pleading with customers NOT to cancel their credit cards and to “do the right thing and follow the cancellation procedure” how deceptive is this. He should be jailed for fraud and gross misconduct.
MIKE FILSAIME IS A PREDATOR…!!!!!!!
Yeah, the slimy bugger ripped me off for 3 months. I tried canceling my subscription as well. In the end I just cancelled my credit card and got a new one. This Mike guy even looks sleazy. I hope the law catches up with him.
I was trying to find out if anyone had problems with his ‘Instant Buzz’ viral softare.. I made the miskate of believing the sales page that said something to the likes of “And if you want to unninstall it, it’s just click of the button”. Well ITS NOT!!!!I The screen on my laptop froze as soon as I downloaded the thing! And even though I still managed to find the little icon in my back panel under the name ” IBDaemon!!!” to uninstall it,
it’s still there! (Oh its a demon alright!!!!)
And I cant get rid of it! Everytime I turn off my computer, I get Mike in video format pop up sales page urging me to sign up for his offer, and I get another pop up after I decline the first one! In that one he pleads “but you’re here for a reason right?” or something like that,, Now If anyone can tell me how to take the get rid of the thing, I’d really appreciate it.. Now only that but the ad that actually appears on the screen when I downloaded the thing was a glowing NEON YELLOW, (very distracting and nothing like the ad that was on the sales page, more false advertising!.) The guy has deep circles under eyes, looks like he hasnt slept in a year! You made the bed MIKE!!!!!!
I bought a mike filsaime product and for 5 months have been charged for his magazine. I have called them with no response. Filled out support tickets and have unsubscribed at http://www.cancelme.com at least 3 times and I’m still being charged. As rich as that SOB is you wouldn’t think he would be perpetrator of people looking for success solutions on line.
I guess I’ll have to change my credit card account like those above. I’m out 5 months of these payments.
Thanks guys i was also just going to buy one of his deceptive programs. Well i am just saved by you guys.
I have never bought one f his products, but I did sign up for one of his marketing tips newsletters. There were no tips. All he did was email me every day with a new product he wanted me to buy. He didn’t share one helpful tip, he taught nothing. His “newsletter” is nothing more than a daily spam fest. Buy this, buy that, buy, buy, buy. There is nothing of value in it AT ALL!
He has also ripped me off with butterfly reports, it is utterly crap and three weeks later, still no response to my help tickets. BEWARE